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WEEKLY STRATEGIC UPDATE

by You Know in

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there is no question about it, the world is rapidly heading toward its terminal tumult.

with the foretold apostasy now fully underway, the stage is set for jehovahs ongoing controversy to be pressed to its ultimate conclusion.

piece by piece, chunks of the underlying economy, the life blood of the present system of things, are falling away.

You Know

Your post is full of hate, animosity and fear, don't you realise that these so called apostates are just ordinary people.

TO INDIVIDUAL: My experience with apostates consistently demonstrates your impotence in the face of the facts. Nothing is more faith-affirming for me. In a typically canned response, you can only attack me personally or blaspheme God because his judgment consigns fools to suffer the full penalty of their stupidity.The fact is, your world is doomed, not because God is going to necessarily personally destroy it, but because it has not the moral strength to survive. Jehovah simply decrees that no one will live who doesn't have faith in him.

TO UNDECIDED:

The great depression didn't bring the end.

That was then. The world is a much different place NOW. The Depression did however lead directly into WWII.

TO JOELBEAR:

LaRouche, like Pat Buchanan and countless other fringe politicians have to make extreme statements to get any press.

Clearly, you are completely cluless. The mainstream press has joined in a conspiracy of silence in LaRouche's case. You will never read one word of his in the American press. Right now they are hysterical about Chandra Levy. On the other hand LaRouche is an internationally recognized statesman. Perhaps the world's greatest statesmen in the present age. Recently the Russian Duma entertained LaRouche, and in fact, China, Russia, and India are implementing LaRouche's New Silk Road policy. That is why the Anglo-American establishment are provoking a 3rd World War in order to prevent the development of Eruasia. That was in fact the geo-political back drop of WWI.

TO PAT-RIOT:

You know nothing of type of military threat that would start a "world war".

I know the WWI was started by one assasin's bullet. Osama Bin Laden has 20 back-pack nukes. One would probably do the trick.

To say that Iraq has "Commandos" is completely rediculous. We took all those bastards out in Desert Storm. They have nothing left.

That's a lie. The controversy back then was that Bush should have finished off the elite Red Guard, which he didn't. Besides, Desert Storm was 10 years ago. Are you so stupid to imagine that the Iraqis have not rebuilt their forces in the last decade? That's not reasonable. / You Know

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Is the GB guilty of stumbling christian? matt18:6

by Winston in

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matthew 18: 6,7 "if anyone should cause one of these little ones to turn away from his faith in me, it would be better for that man to have a large millstone tied around his neck and be drowned in the deep sea.. how terrible for the world that there are things that make people turn away!

such things will alway happen--but how terrible for the one who causes them.".

has the governing body really been responcible for causing real genuine belevers in jesus christ to stumble the way jesus says at mathew 18?.

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Jeus said that causes for stumbling were inevitable, but he pronounced woe for the one through whom they come. In the case of the GB, the one through whom the causes for stumbling have come is primarily Ray Franz. He is the one has used his credibility as a former member of the GB to set before others numerous stumbling blocks. Without Ray Franz, and other prominent apostates, who have widely advertised the Watchtower's flaws, many of this things that cause stumbling would never have become known. But, the Scriptures do acknowledge that there are inevitable stumbling blocks, and that the angels will remove these from among Jehovah's people during the time of judgment.

The bottom line though is that for those who truly love God and his word, there is no stumbling block. Basically, those who stumble are inwardly looking for some reason to excuse themselves from the faith. Jehovah lovingly provides such ones with ample reason to disqualify themselves from his blessing if they so choose. But, there is no legitimate excuse before God. That's because even Jesus, who is called "the stone of stumbling," himself stumbled others by certain teachings of his. So, Jehovah allows such stumbling to go on in order to refine his people by allowing insincere and faithless ones to up-end themselves over various things. That's just the way it is for now.

/ You Know

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WEEKLY STRATEGIC UPDATE

by You Know in

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there is no question about it, the world is rapidly heading toward its terminal tumult.

with the foretold apostasy now fully underway, the stage is set for jehovahs ongoing controversy to be pressed to its ultimate conclusion.

piece by piece, chunks of the underlying economy, the life blood of the present system of things, are falling away.

You Know

There is no question about it, the world is rapidly heading toward its terminal tumult. With the foretold apostasy now fully underway, the stage is set for Jehovah’s ongoing controversy to be pressed to its ultimate conclusion. Piece by piece, chunks of the underlying economy, the life blood of the present system of things, are falling away. The ongoing collapse cannot continue on indefinitely. For the present moment the only thing that seems to be preventing a final catastrophic disintegration of the dollar is the fear-induced irrational hope of investors in the mythical near term recovery.

CLICK HERE>>>> http://www.dismal.com/thoughts/article.asp?aid=1311

Now, as if on cue, as the system totters on the verge of complete financial collapse, the next world war seems poised to erupt in the coming days and weeks ahead. The Middle East is a ready-made tender box, prepared to be ignited at the earliest convenience of the demonic powers that be, in order to spring the trap and throw Jehovah‘s people into the maelstrom of confusion. As is stands, apparently Iraqi commandos are presently in Jordan, which, if true, is a very dangerous escalation of an already perilous situation.

CLICK HERE>>>> http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23899

AND HERE >>>> http://www.larouchepub.com/pr_lar/2001/010802_stop_war_now.html

Doubtless, apostate ridiculers will proclaim themselves to be amused and unable to see any connection between the strategic situation now developing and the issues related to the Watchtower Society. And no doubt that’s true. That is the beauty of Jehovah’s way. His justice determines that those who cunningly excavate a pit for their brothers to fall into, are actually, unknowingly, digging their own graves. The Psalmist foretold that Jehovah would be earnestly looking for an opportunity to get the apostate into his hand. From all indications, the time is ripe for the terror of God to fall upon an unsuspecting world.

/ You Know

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RUSSIA GOES FOR THE GOLD

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this present system is definitely finished.

the present system being the anglo-american dollar dominated system.

it is in the final stages of collapse as is becoming more obvious by the day.

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T Rex: If it does happen, which is inevitable, I suppose you may actually have to eat your shorts for whatever nutrient value they may contain. In your case, you might even consider it a delicacy. / You Know

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RUSSIA GOES FOR THE GOLD

by You Know in

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this present system is definitely finished.

the present system being the anglo-american dollar dominated system.

it is in the final stages of collapse as is becoming more obvious by the day.

You Know

I dunno, dude. Bush a fascist?

Sure. It will become apparent as soon as a crisis hits. Read this >>>> http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2001/2815_fascism.html

Russian gold coin currency a sign of the end?

It is not a biblical sign of the end, but it proves that world leaders, other than those in the United States, do recognize the terminal nature of things as they presently stand.

Global financial collapse by mid-August?

That's not my prediction. That was a Russian economist that expressed that. No one really knows the exact day or the hour, right? LOL / You Know

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RUSSIA GOES FOR THE GOLD

by You Know in

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this present system is definitely finished.

the present system being the anglo-american dollar dominated system.

it is in the final stages of collapse as is becoming more obvious by the day.

You Know

This present system is definitely finished. The present system being the Anglo-American dollar dominated system. It is in the final stages of collapse as is becoming more obvious by the day. That is apparently now the official opinion of the Putin government in Russia. Since the collapse of the USSR, Russia, as well as all the former nations of the Soviet Union, have been at the mercy of the IMF and the dollar. In fact, for the most, part the dollar is the world's currency. As of this week Russia is putting back into circulation the gold Chervonetz in order to allow Russians to preserve their wealth by unloading the doomed dollar and buying the Chervonetz. This is a very significant development in my opinion.

The collapse of the dollar of course will not occur in a vacumn, but will inevitably be accompanied, or even preceeded, by wars and disorders of all kinds. As far as the truth is concerned, the crash of the present system will without question silence the ridiculers, who, like the doomed passengers of the ill-fated Titanic, stupidly imagine that this system is unsinkable.

Click here >>>> http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2001/2828_chervonetz.html

/ You Know

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Misquotes

by troubled in

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has anyone ever written to the society,with evidence of misquotes, and asked them for an explanation of this?

or has anyone ever written and asked them why they quote and don't give the source of the quote?

if i did this, do you think i would get into trouble in the congregation, etc.?

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TO TROUBLED:

I mean, how can I continue going out and inviting others to come into the organization when I see some very serious
stumbling blocks inside it?

You can continue as a minister on the basis of faith only. Certainly Jesus is aware of the problems in his congregation and yet he continues to draw others to it. Faith allows you to see the end result and not just the immediate difficulties. Why, just consider the situation in the 1st century when Jesus sent out his 70 disciples with the message that the kingdom had drawn near. No doubt his disciples, and the Jews in general, imagined that the kingdom was going to be the earthly restoration of David's throne. That's the way they understood the prophecies. In other words they were clueless, as we would say today, about the real nature of the kingdom of God. And, yet, Jesus was confident in sending them out with his message. That is why they simply couldn't grasp the fact the Jesus was going to die, even though he repeatedly told them so. Peter even rebuked Jesus as if Christ didn't know what he was talking about. That's why, too, for the Jews the talk of the torture stake was a stumbling block, as Paul called it, becuase their limited understanding didn't allow for their Messiah to be ingloriously killed by the Jews. So, it pleased Jehovah to use these stumbling blocks as a means of testing the faith of Christians. Of course, after Jesus was resurrected he used to holy spirit to pry open the minds of his disciples to grasp the true meaning of the Scriptures, and the many relevant prophecies show that after the faithless ones and apostates are at last purged from our midsts, that a similiar outpouring will occur.

I mean, how can I continue going out and inviting others to come into the organization when I see some very serious stumbling blocks inside it?

Faith ain't a bad word is it? Why is it that we read the words: 'Happy are all those who stay in expectation of Jehovah's judgments' and yet we feel that WE have to take matters into our own hands and set things straight? Recall that when Jesus said that in order to get life a person had to drink his blood and eat his flesh, that many of his disciples were stumbled and left off following him. And remember what Jesus asked Peter? So, where are you going to go away to? The letter of Jude, which is all about dealing with apostasy, advises in the introduction, to "put up a hard fight for the faith." Are you one to so quickly set aside all the wonderful things that Jehovah's organization has taught you, and the faith that you have worked so hard to build, simply because of the few stumblings blocks you have had pointed out to you? That's really the question you are going to have to answer before God.

I mean, using the logic, "All human organizations are imperfect, there's bad things going on in every religion, but the Witnesses have less bad than the others" isn't going to fly, is it?

That is faulty reasoning. Here's why: When Jesus was on the earth Israel was God's organization. Yet, as we know, the nation for the most part was not really following God's law. Jesus in fact condemed the Jews for following the traditions of men and for invalidating God's word. Yet, he told his apostles to do as the Pharisees say, but not as they did. So, God sent his Son into a nation that was steeped in problems and that had a long history of apostasy, but Jesus was loyal to the people who loved God and he subjected himself to the Jewish system of things in order to lead his sheep out to something better. That's really where we are today. The Watchtower organization is merely an expedient instrument that will eventually, soon, be discarded. Jehovah is yet to finally rock the heavens and the earth. Those who have developed the genuine Christian faith will have what it takes to make the transition into the spiritual organization that God has prepared. Only the spiritual nation will survive the end of the world.

Also, I'm not sure how Jehovah wants us to handle these mistakes going on in the organization.

You don't? Well, what CAN you do? Is it really your place to correct Christ's faithful slave? Remember what happend to Korah, Dathan, and Abiram? Why do you suppose those examples are in the Bible? It is not that Moses was innocent either, because in the end Jehovah rebuked the meekest man on earth and forbid him from entering the Promised Land. What do you suppose that prefigures? Did you know that Jesus foretold that he is going to whack his faithful slaves with a "few strokes" because of the ignorance and failure to completely do their Master's will? So, Jesus acknowledges that he is going to punish his "faithful slave," why should we join in with the evil slave in beating him too? Wouldn't the wise and faithful course for us be to let Jesus take care of those whom he placed over God's household and just "deal with faithfulness" in our own case, as the Psalms advise? Of course if there is wrongdoing in your congregation then, yes, there are plenty of Bible examples that show the course of loyalty, but that is another matter.

So it's not so black and white, trying to determine how to handle it.

Perhaps not. But certainly Jehovah will give us the wisdom to know the right course if we simply ask him. / You Know

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Misquotes

by troubled in

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has anyone ever written to the society,with evidence of misquotes, and asked them for an explanation of this?

or has anyone ever written and asked them why they quote and don't give the source of the quote?

if i did this, do you think i would get into trouble in the congregation, etc.?

You Know

Do you really want to go down that path? What if you find things that disturb you? What is your motive for wanting to delve into the Society's mistakes? That's how it all starts with apostates, and frankly, I doubt if you are strong enough to handle what you might find. In one of Jesus' letters to the congregations in Revelation, he commended those who had not come to know the "deep things of Satan." Typically we think of witchcraft and such as being the deep things of Satan. But, really, those deep things of the Devil could be the reasonings of our apostate accusers.The Devil, being the original apostate, is the chief accuser of God's people. He knows every mistake and stupid thing we have ever done. And when the Scriptures call him "the accuser of our brothers," we shouldn't necessarily imagine that his accusations are simply made up. No, he accuses us, particularly the anointed ones, for all our sins before God. His evil slave is merely his earthly mouthpiece that echoes his accusations in an effort to turn others against Christ's embattled brothers. Really, Here's the thing: Your faith should not be in the Watchtower. The Watchtower is just the instrument of an agency that is otherwise described as a "slave." The brothers have made all kinds of mistakes and misteps and gotten themselves into some serious mess with the way they have handled certain things---and it's only going to get worse going forward. Loyalty, though, is a different thing. We can still be loyal to the organization and the brotherhood, not because they are infallible, but because they are serving Jehovah, or at least trying.

It was said of Christ, that he loved his disciples until the very end. Think of that. Jesus did not abandon his apostles even though even on his final night with them they were still arguing over who was the greatest. And, of course, a few hours after they all boasted that they would never leave Jesus or betray him they were all scattered. Christ set the example in being loyal to those whom Jehovah chose.

Our loyalty will likewise be tested. Many obviously have failed the test already, and it appears that many more will eventually be stumbled from the truth before it's all said and done. In Jesus' great prophecy of his presence he foretold very palinly that "many will be stumbled, and will hate one another and betray one another." Evidently we are just beginning to see that aspect of Christ's prophecy. Notice, too, that Jesus linked that stumbling to the activity of the so-called false prophets that would arise and mislead many. II Peter the 2nd chapter indicates that apostates are the false prophets. So, while the organization has made numerous mistakes, which are as stumbling blocks before others, it is the apostates that avertise and exploit these things in order to ensnare others in their trap.

Jehovah, of course, allows his organization to go astray in some ways in order to make a test of our hearts. Those who don't really have a close and personal relationship with Jehovah, who have failed to really get the sense of the truth, are those whom Jehovah allows to be ensnared and stumbled by Satan's apostate partners.

Anyway, there are numerous prophecies in the Hebrew text that foretell that God's organization would inadvertantly set stumbling blocks before others, and that we ourselves will also be stumbled, even as the apostles were on the night Jesus was arrested. That's why Jesus emphasized that only those who actually endured to the end would be saved. But, the very fact that there are many now succumbing to apostasy is the surest indication that Jehovah's judgment is not far behind.

/ You Know

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The Infallable, Inspired Word of God

by drahcir yarrum in

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i have often wondered, if the bible is the infallable word of god and inspired in the minds of men by the mind of god.

then why is it you can prove or disprove just about anything with it?.

these are the sorts of questions that cause problems for organizations that claim to also be god's spokesmen.

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Nice circular response. You've supported the infallability of the bible with a bible verse that supports it's infallability.

That verse doesn't support the Bible's infallibility. It merely shows that portions of the Bible can be difficult to understand and that apostates and others inevitably twist things to support their own ideas. You were wondering why it seemed possible to prove or disprove "just about anything with it." That's why. / You Know

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The Infallable, Inspired Word of God

by drahcir yarrum in

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i have often wondered, if the bible is the infallable word of god and inspired in the minds of men by the mind of god.

then why is it you can prove or disprove just about anything with it?.

these are the sorts of questions that cause problems for organizations that claim to also be god's spokesmen.

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One of the apostles explained that at 2 Peter 3:16, which reads: "In them, however, (Paul's letters) are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unsteady are twisting, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction."

/ You Know